# How to defend Ukraine after a ceasefire Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/mark-leonard-s-world-in-30-minutes-162427/how-to-defend-ukraine-after-a-ceasefire Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/mark-leonard-s-world-in-30-minutes-162427/how-to-defend-ukraine-after-a-ceasefire.md Podcast: [Mark Leonard's World in 30 Minutes](https://stenobird.com/podcast/mark-leonard-s-world-in-30-minutes-162427) Published: 2026-02-27T06:30:00+00:00 Episode link: https://ecfr.eu/?post_type=podcast&p=149870 Audio file: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/65b12b49ff5af10016347961/e/6983717ae40a828748da268f/media.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/mark-leonard-s-world-in-30-minutes-162427/episodes/how-to-defend-ukraine-after-a-ceasefire Duration seconds: 1920 ## Resource As Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine enters its fifth year, negotiations are finally entering a productive phase.  Mark Leonard  is joined by  Jennifer Kavanagh , senior fellow and director of military analysis at Defense Priorities, and author of the new report, “An Armed Nonalignment Model for Ukraine’s Postwar Security”, to examine Ukraine’s security status and US foreign policy towards it. Mark and Jennifer explore her proposal that Ukraine should position itself as an “armed nonalignment” state, the future of the transatlantic alliance, and America’s National Defense Strategy.     Can Ukraine be nonaligned but also “armed to the teeth”? Could it become a porcupine that Russia cannot swallow? What should Europe and Ukraine do if future US foreign policy focuses more on the Indo-Pacific and the western hemisphere? Could Russia feasibly invade Ukraine again? And what happens if it does?    Bookshelf   An Armed Nonalignment Model for Ukraine’s Postwar Security  by Jennifer Kavanagh   The bear in the Baltics: Reassessing the Russian threat in Estonia  by Jennifer and Jeremy Shapiro  Season 4 of Bridgerton  on Netflix   Susie Wiles, JD Vance, and the “Junkyard Dogs”: The White House Chief of Staff on Trump’s Second Term (Part 1 of 2 ) by Vanity Fair   Susie Wiles Talks Epstein Files, Pete Hegseth’s War Tactics, Retribution, and More (Part 2 of 2)  by Vanity Fair    This podcast was recorded on 30th January… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/mark-leonard-s-world-in-30-minutes-162427/episodes/how-to-defend-ukraine-after-a-ceasefire/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/mark-leonard-s-world-in-30-minutes-162427/how-to-defend-ukraine-after-a-ceasefire.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.