# Why Physical Stores Aren't Dying — with Ron Johnson, Creator of the Apple Store and Author of Shop Different

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Podcast: [Making Data Simple](https://stenobird.com/podcast/making-data-simple-17685)
Published: 2026-09-02T07:00:00+00:00
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Send us Fan Mail We dive into the surprising wisdom of retail with Ron Johnson — creator of the original Apple Store, founder of Enjoy Technology, and author of Shop Different. Johnson challenges conventional thinking about the future of physical spaces, arguing that the human element — and the power of design — will always be crucial. AND, "The most important person is in front of you," a life lesson. 02:31 Ron Johnson! 05:42 The Apple Store 08:39 MSFT vs Apple 10:39 The Desig...

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