# Harvard’s Happiness Expert: The Secret to Calm in the Chaos w/ Tal Ben-Shahar - E169

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Podcast: [Makes Sense - with Dr. JC Doornick](https://stenobird.com/podcast/makes-sense-with-dr-jc-doornick-6798573)
Published: 2026-05-12T14:03:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 3594

## Resource

What if the secret to happiness is stopping the chase altogether? In this powerful conversation, Tal Ben-Shahar joins JC to explore why real fulfillment comes not from avoiding struggle, but from becoming antifragile enough to grow through it. Together, they unpack the paradox of happiness, toxic positivity, emotional resilience, and how the Interface Response System (Perceive, Pause, Process, Proceed) can help you thrive in a world filled with uncertainty and pressure.

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