# ICE and the “wide, deep, and ever-growing” surveillance state

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Podcast: [Make Me Smart](https://stenobird.com/podcast/make-me-smart-678917)
Published: 2026-04-07T16:15:42+00:00
Episode link: https://www.marketplace.org/episode/2026/04/07/ice-and-the-wide-deep-and-evergrowing-surveillance-state
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## Resource

Doorbell cameras, license plate readers, and social media platforms are just a few of the tech products that make up an ever-growing surveillance network in the United States. ICE’s use of surveillance tools as part of its immigration crackdown has brought that into focus. On today’s show, Kimberly talks with investigative journalist and co-founder of 404 Media Joseph Cox about the growth of the American surveillance state and simple steps you can take to protect your privacy. Here’s everything we talked about today: "With Ring, American Consumers Built a Surveillance Dragnet" from 404 Media "Surveillance company Flock generates controversy, and L.A. customers" from The L.A. Times "Ring Ends Deal to Link Neighborhood Cameras After Backlash to Super Bowl Ad" from The New York Times "All the Ways Big Tech Fuels ICE and CBP" from Wired "Inside a Powerful Database ICE Uses to Identify and Deport People" from 404 Media We love hearing from you. Leave us a voicemail at 508-U-B-SMART or email makemesmart@marketplace.org .

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