# 162: Sanctification - a Journey, not a Destination, Part 2

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Published: 2026-05-05T19:27:50+00:00
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## Resource

In part two of this thoughtful conversation, Debra Baty and Garry Ingraham continue discussing medicalization versus talk therapy, including Finnish studies that support talk therapy. They also emphasize the importance of doing thorough research on both sides rather than focusing only on the negatives, and the church’s need to focus on the heart without pushing people away.

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