# Leadership, Community & Courage to Listen w/ Ian-Michael Hebert E/68

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Podcast: [Love, Sex, and Leadership](https://stenobird.com/podcast/love-sex-and-leadership-6857618)
Published: 2026-05-08T10:00:01+00:00
Episode link: https://aaronkleinerman.com/sex-love-and-leadership
Audio file: https://media.transistor.fm/f28fe308/9edc9572.mp3
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## Resource

In this episode, I sat down with Ian-Michael Hébert from Holos, a regenerative design community in Costa Rica. We reflected on how land, nature, and community act as mirrors for leadership and self-awareness. Our conversation explored the delicate balance between surrender and tenacity, the challenges of merging retreat centers and community life, and the ever-evolving relationship between humanity and technology. We also touched on the importance of raising conscious children and how both nature and fatherhood shape resilience and creativity. Through it all, we came back to what it means to lead with heart, humility, and connection amid a changing world.

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