# Bayer’s Bill Anderson: Turning a 168 Year-Old Tanker Like a Speedboat

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Podcast: [Long Strange Trip: CEO to CEO with Brian Halligan](https://stenobird.com/podcast/long-strange-trip-ceo-to-ceo-with-brian-halligan-7578456)
Published: 2026-02-12T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Bill Anderson runs Bayer, a 160-year-old pharmaceutical giant that had 100,000+ employees when Bill took the helm. In just two years after becoming CEO, he flattened 11 layers of management, expanded managers' direct reports from 6 to 90, and eliminated annual budgeting in favor of 90-day cycles. Bill offers up some gems on how to scale without becoming bureaucratic, explains why "professional managers" kill startups, why peer feedback beats manager reviews, and why bureaucracy isn’t a virus that infects healthy companies but rather something that grows from within the heart of your org chart. If you're scaling from 100 to 1,000 employees and want to avoid the death spiral that slows most growing companies, this is essential listening. Bill's created a playbook for organizational transformation that challenges what you think you know about building companies.

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