# Summer reads – How we made the wilderness w/Cal Flyn

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Podcast: [Living Planet](https://stenobird.com/podcast/living-planet-429845)
Published: 2026-07-31T10:08:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 1800

## Resource

What if the places we think of as empty and unmarred are anything but? What if wilderness is as much an idea as a place? A conversation with Cal Flyn, who, in her new book, travels to some of the world's most remote, awe-inspiring places to trace the changing meaning of wilderness, and to explore how one of conservation's most cherished ideals has come at a human cost.

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