# Gretchen Whitmer: The radical truth of leading under pressure

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Podcast: [Live from the Next Chapter](https://stenobird.com/podcast/live-from-the-next-chapter-7863992)
Published: 2026-05-20T03:12:06+00:00
Episode link: https://danloepp.substack.com/p/gretchen-whitmer-the-radical-truth
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What changes about leadership when you’ve governed through a pandemic, survived an assassination plot, and learned that certainty is overrated? Governor Gretchen Whitmer joins Dan Loepp for a conversation about how eight years as Michigan’s governor reshaped how she thinks, decides, and leads. She reflects on making decisions that canceled her own daughters’ graduations, working across party lines when it cost her politically, and the discipline of staying focused on the next right thing when criticism comes from every direction. A conversation about what experience teaches that ambition alone cannot. Plus, Michael Patrick Shiels joins Dan Loepp for a look at what it means to design a path up or a path out, and why the best leadership lessons are earned over time. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit danloepp.substack.com

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