# Anne Ferrier: The transition blueprint (finding emotional intelligence)

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Podcast: [Live from the Next Chapter](https://stenobird.com/podcast/live-from-the-next-chapter-7863992)
Published: 2026-05-20T04:11:39+00:00
Episode link: https://danloepp.substack.com/p/anne-ferrier-the-transition-blueprint
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## Resource

Most leaders spend decades building a career at high speed. The question of what comes after rarely gets serious attention until the transition is already underway. In this episode, Dan sits down with Anne Ferrier, an executive coach with more than 30 years of experience working with senior leaders navigating some of the most consequential shifts of their careers. Anne explains how the process of rethinking purpose and identity often begins much earlier than leaders recognize: in her experience, women around 38, men closer to 45. She talks about what it takes to build trust with executives who are used to having the answers, why empathy and boundaries can coexist in strong leadership, and how the brain works against us when we try to see clearly. Dan also shares his own experience working with Anne through his transition from leading Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, including what surprised him about the process and what he wishes he had understood sooner. Plus, Michael Patrick Shiels joins Dan Loepp for a dialogue on the responsibility of leadership. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit danloepp.substack.com

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