# Apple v. OpenAI: Trade Secrets and Corporate Espionage

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Podcast: [Limitless: An AI Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/limitless-an-ai-podcast-7326914)
Published: 2026-07-14T12:55:59+00:00
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Apple has filed a lawsuit against OpenAI over alleged trade secret theft related to future hardware plans and employee recruiting. With OpenAI’s reported device ambitions and Apple’s leak-detection practices, the broader competition for talent and proprietary information in AI has reached a boiling point. ------ 🌌 LIMITLESS HQ ⬇️ EMAIL US: info@limitless.fm NEWSLETTER: https://limitlessft.substack.com/ FOLLOW ON X: https://x.com/LimitlessFT SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/5oV29YUL8AzzwXkxEXlRMQ APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/limitless-podcast/id1813210890 RSS FEED: https://limitlessft.substack.com/ ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 OpenAI’s Secret Apple Grab 4:16 Poaching Engineers and Secrets 6:35 The Alleged Interview Scheme 9:06 Why Apple Fought Back 11:40 OpenAI Versus Apple Strategy 13:49 Apple’s Leak-Tracking Tactics 15:33 AI Hardware Meets Personal Data 17:34 Apple’s Own Security Problem 19:59 Why IP Is the New Gold 22:26 California’s Non-Compete Advantage 23:08 Is Apple Truly Worried? 24:57 Apple’s AI Comeback Plan 26:37 Waiting for the Device Reveal 27:26 The Show Goes Independent ------ RESOURCES Josh: https://x.com/JoshKale Ejaaz: https://x.com/cryptopunk7213 ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠ Josh works with Anthropic as a contractor. All views expressed are his own and do not represent Anthropic, its leadership, or its affiliates. Nothing in this episode is investment advice.

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