# Don't Automate Chaos: Running Lights Out with Sarah Wierman of Fastems, Ep #45

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Podcast: [Lights Out: Technology and Automation Podcast by MakingChips](https://stenobird.com/podcast/lights-out-technology-and-automation-podcast-by-makingchips-7058706)
Published: 2026-07-17T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Most shops picture automation the same way. A robot arm bolted to a machine, a green button, and a quiet promise that you can finally walk out the door at night. This episode takes that picture apart, and what replaces it is a lot more useful. The trio is back together, and to kick off a new run of episodes we brought in Sarah Wierman of Fastems, someone Nick worked alongside for five years in workholding before both of them drifted into automation. Her big reframe is the one worth sitting with. Fastems isn't really a pallet company. It's a production orchestration company. The pallets moving in and out of the machine are the part you can see, but the real product is the software, MMS, that plans your jobs, runs them, and monitors the whole thing like the brain of the operation. We get into why so many shops are feeling the pull toward automation right now, and it isn't a desire to replace people. It's labor shortages, a wave of retirements taking hard-won tribal knowledge out the door, and the need to stay flexible when demand swings the way it did during COVID. Sarah's point is that automation done right keeps your best people and frees them from babysitting a spindle. From there it gets practical. Why you can get into automation too soon. Why repeatable fixturing is the foundation everything else sits on. Why tribal knowledge is the villain of the automation story, and why you should never automate chaos. Sarah walks through how the software can look 96 hours ahead to warn you a tool is about to run out, and how her cousin Caleb's rule, observe but don't intervene, separates a shop that trusts its process from one that keeps helicopter parenting the machine. By the end she leaves listeners with three tactics you can start this week, none of them flashy, all of them…

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