# 80. Has Wellness Culture Taken Optimization Too Far?

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Podcast: [Lifting, Running and Living with Kelly and JK](https://stenobird.com/podcast/lifting-running-and-living-with-kelly-and-jk-6454435)
Published: 2026-06-19T07:40:00+00:00
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## Resource

In episode 80, JK describes starting a 30-day no-complaining challenge after noticing how easy it is to “cosign” others’ complaints, and he’s traveling to Omaha for a 14U baseball tournament and a College World Series game, while Kelly is traveling to Chicago, increasing running volume, lifting twice, and monitoring a heel issue that’s improving. They then talk about “health maxing,” reacting to a resurfaced Diary of a CEO clip where Steven Bartlett said three glasses of wine led to worse sleep, eating, gym performance, and podcasting for days, debating wearables, optimization culture, and checking in with yourself before device metrics. 00:00 Cold Open and Intro 00:33 Today’s Topics Preview 01:26 Kelly’s Chicago Update 05:06 JK’s No Complaining Challenge 13:50 Omaha Travel Baseball Plans 16:10 Courtesy Plates Gym Etiquette 21:25 Health Maxing and Viral Clip 25:03 Critiques of Optimization Culture 28:34 Recovery Time Skepticism 30:10 Bad Optimization Example 34:13 Sobriety vs Fun Debate 39:18 Wellness Surveillance Culture 42:46 Wearables Help or Harm 44:49 Metrics Anxiety in Training 49:55 HRV and Zone Two Hype 52:09 Actionable Takeaways 55:30 Wrap Up and Plug Follow the podcast at ⁠⁠⁠@liftingrunninglivingpod⁠⁠⁠ Email us at ⁠⁠⁠liftingrunninglivingpod@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠ Follow JK at ⁠⁠@coachjkmcleod⁠⁠ Follow Kelly at ⁠⁠⁠@runningklutz ⁠

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