# Episode 185: Safety and Security

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Podcast: [Leading and Learning Through Safety](https://stenobird.com/podcast/leading-and-learning-through-safety-14553)
Published: 2025-07-25T07:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode of the Leading and Learning Through Safety podcast, Dr. Mark French explores the increasingly blurred lines between safety and security, especially for field teams working in unpredictable public environments. Reflecting on a recent visit to a street lighting crew in a high-risk urban area, he shares his concern for worker safety amid uncertain external threats. Traditional safety protocols fall short in these contexts, and current de-escalation training—typically designed for...

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