# Mash Up Episode ft. 12 Rules For Leaders Deep Dive - Leadership Models from Sun-Tzu to Albert Murray w/David Baumrucker & Jesan Sorrells

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Podcast: [Leadership Lessons From The Great Books](https://stenobird.com/podcast/leadership-lessons-from-the-great-books-4393930)
Published: 2026-04-08T10:30:00+00:00
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Mash Up Episode ft. 12 Rules For Leaders Deep Dive - Leadership Models from Sun-Tzu to Albert Murray w/David Baumrucker & Jesan Sorrells --- Explore the gap between leadership models and real-world practice as Jesan Sorrells and guest David Baumrucker examine the pitfalls of rigid frameworks and the necessity for leader courage in today’s volatile environment. They discuss the enduring value of classical wisdom, the influence of myth according to Carl Jung, and the critical challenge technology poses to authentic leadership and organizational culture. The conversation is rooted in Sorrells’ own "12 Rules for Leaders: The Foundation of Intentional Leadership" and explores how timeless principles offer guidance for navigating the uncertainty ahead. Book Title: 12 Rules for Leaders: The Foundation of Intentional Leadership Author: Jesan Sorrells Guests: David Baumrucker (Co-Host), Jesan Sorrells (Host) --- Time-Stamped Overview --- 00:00 Developing leadership principles 10:02 Models as compass, not map 11:04 Modern leadership and experiential learning 20:47 Rediscovering true leadership basics 25:20 Signs of ineffective leadership 30:54 Understanding leadership and the shadow 33:39 Understanding leadership archetypes and the shadow 41:55 Returning to healthy masculine and feminine 46:29 Fire as a metaphor for growth 52:07 Rethinking our relationship with technology 58:58 Disconnecting from nature and myth 01:04:08 Practical AI tools for everyday use 01:06:03 AI's impact on workplace loyalty 01:13:10 Society's challenges and survival pressures 01:17:11 The new American project vision 01:25:24 Questioning leadership and blind faith 01:29:31 Talking about the Word and creation 01:35:59 The role of Gen Z in change 01:37:59 Passing wisdom to future generations --- Opening…

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