# Lead Better - Proof Over Persuasion: NASA’s Unlikely Path to Organizational Transformation

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Podcast: [Lead Better](https://stenobird.com/podcast/lead-better-7392154)
Published: 2026-06-28T19:46:38+00:00
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Originally recorded for Sunday, June 28, 2026 - Scott and Mikey discuss the topic found in this morning's Admired Leadership Field Notes: Proof Over Persuasion: NASA’s Unlikely Path to Organizational Transformation

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