# Can we shape behaviour using negative reinforcement?

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Podcast: [Lead a Horse to Water](https://stenobird.com/podcast/lead-a-horse-to-water-3058987)
Published: 2025-07-15T13:15:45+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/trudi-dempsey/episodes/Can-we-shape-behaviour-using-negative-reinforcement-e35j3ar
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## Resource

We often think of behaviour produced with positive reinforcement as the only behaviour that can be shaped but of course behaviour produced using negative reinforcement can be shaped too. In this episode, I explore what constructional training is, how CAT protocols use R- to build functional skills, and where R- stops serving the learner and starts serving the trainer. Spoiler: for me it’s all about whose needs the behaviour is meeting.

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