# More human by design: The lawyer as systems designer

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Podcast: [Lawyers Weekly Podcast Network](https://stenobird.com/podcast/lawyers-weekly-podcast-network-1107165)
Published: 2026-08-28T06:18:14+00:00
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## Resource

Daniel Rod sees his role as having three core elements: legal specialist, software developer, and trusted adviser. Combining those elements ensures that tech use goes beyond mere capability – it guarantees that human outcomes are at the forefront. In this episode of The Lawyers Weekly Show, host Jerome Doraisamy welcomes back Daniel Rod, a special counsel at Chamberlains and finalist for the Innovator of the Year category at the 2026 Australian Law Awards, to discuss thinking like both a lawyer and a developer, improving workflows in practice, successful case studies from his experience, his practical framework for practitioners, making client service more personal through tech use and being more empathetic, and creating more fulfilling experiences both for one's self and one's clients.

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