# #185 - When Circle must freeze USDC (and when they probably should) with Austin Campbell

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Podcast: [Law of Code](https://stenobird.com/podcast/law-of-code-4138106)
Published: 2026-04-13T07:03:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lawofcode/episodes/185---When-Circle-must-freeze-USDC-and-when-they-probably-should-with-Austin-Campbell-e3hqa30
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## Resource

When does U.S. law require Circle to freeze USDC? It's a question many are asking after a series of wallets were frozen in connection to a sealed civil case, and again after Solana's Drift Protocol was drained of $285 million. Jacob Robinson is joined by Austin Campbell, founder of Zero Knowledge Consulting and adjunct professor at Columbia Business School, for a masterclass on the legal framework governing stablecoin freezes. Timestamps: ➡️ 0:00 — Intro ➡️ 2:00 — The March 2026 freeze of 16 wallets tied to a sealed civil case ➡️ 4:31 — How bank freezes actually work ➡️ 7:27 — Circle's legal obligation to freeze ➡️ 9:40 — Does Circle's terms of service even apply to secondary holders? ➡️ 11:24 — The privity problem ➡️ 13:20 — The five-piece legal framework that functions like a safe harbor for institutions freezing assets ➡️ 16:43 — DeFi's second-order exposure to asset freezes ➡️ 18:29 — Can DeFi adapt? ➡️ 21:03 — Circle's response to the Drift exploit ➡️ 22:34 — DeFi and the legal system ➡️ 24:27 — Bitcoin as the ideologically consistent alternative ➡️ 28:18 — Why people want intermediaries with liability ➡️ 31:04 — The Drift exploit: why Circle should have frozen USDC ➡️ 36:34 — The exploit difficulty ➡️ 38:27 — Real world assets on chain: the DeFi trilemma Sponsor: Day One Law, a boutique corporate law firm that provides strategic legal counsel to startups, crypto projects, and Web3 innovators. ⁠You can get in contact with them via this link⁠: ⁠⁠https://www.dayonelaw.xyz/#contact. Resources: 📓 Circle's April 10, 2026 statement on the Drift exploit and USDC freeze authority by Dante Disparte 📓 ZachXBT's X thread on Circle's USDC freeze history Also: I'm re-launching the Law of Code newsletter as the world's shortest legal newsletter! You can ⁠stay updated on emergin…

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