# Cline: the open source coding agent that doesn't cut costs

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Podcast: [Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/latent-space-ai-engineer)
Published: 2025-07-16T15:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.latent.space/p/cline-the-open-source-coding-agent
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## Resource

Saoud Rizwan and Pash from Cline joined us to talk about why fast apply models got bitter lesson’d, how they pioneered the plan + act paradigm for coding, and why non-technical people use IDEs to do marketing and generate slides. Full writeup: https://www.latent.space/p/cline X: https://x.com/latentspacepod Full Video Episode Timestamps 00:00 - Introductions 01:35 - Plan and Act Paradigm 05:37 - Model Evaluation and Early Development of Cline 08:14 - Use Cases of Cline Beyond Coding 09:09 - Why Cline is a VS Code Extension and Not a Fork 12:07 - Economic Value of Programming Agents 16:07 - Early Adoption for MCPs 19:35 - Local vs Remote MCP Servers 22:10 - Anthropic’s Role in MCP Registry 22:49 - Most Popular MCPs and Their Use Cases 25:26 - Challenges and Future of MCP Monetization 27:32 - Security and Trust Issues with MCPs 28:56 - Alternative History Without MCP 29:43 - Market Positioning of Coding Agents and IDE Integration Matrix 32:57 - Visibility and Autonomy in Coding Agents 35:21 - Evolving Definition of Complexity in Programming Tasks 38:16 - Forks of Cline and Open Source Regrets 40:07 - Simplicity vs Complexity in Agent Design 46:33 - How Fast Apply Got Bitter Lesson’d 49:12 - Cline’s Business Model and Bring-Your-Own-API-Key Approach 54:18 - Integration with OpenRouter and Enterprise Infrastructure 55:32 - Impact of Declining Model Costs 57:48 - Background Agents and Multi-Agent Systems 1:00:42 - Vision and Multi-Modalities 1:01:07 - State of Context Engineering 1:07:37 - Memory Systems in Coding Agents 1:10:14 - Standardizing Rules Files Across Agent Tools 1:11:16 - Cline’s Personality and Anthropomorphization 1:12:55 - Hiring at Cline and Team Culture This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus ep…

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