# 195. Rob Dunn & Aminah Bradford | The Spirituality of Paying Attention

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Podcast: [Language of God](https://stenobird.com/podcast/language-of-god-423722)
Published: 2025-09-04T08:05:00+00:00
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## Resource

What happens when a theologian and an evolutionary biologist walk into a lab together—one asking questions about God through the strange world of microbes, the other studying the tiny ecosystems in our armpits and sourdough starters? In this episode, we hear the answer through the story of Aminah Al-Attas Bradford, a theologian who found herself researching yeast in the ecology lab of Rob Dunn, a biologist known for uncovering the microbial life all around us. Their collaboration leads to surprising questions about dust, microbes, matter, and meaning, and shows what can happen when science and theology meet in the middle in curious, unshielded conversation. Theme song and credits music by Breakmaster Cylinder. Other music in this episode by Babel, courtesy of Shutterstock, Inc. Check out Rob's book The Call of the Honeyguide: What Science Tells us About How To Live Well with the Rest of Life

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