# 108. Debra Rienstra | The Discipline of Hope

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Podcast: [Language of God](https://stenobird.com/podcast/language-of-god-423722)
Published: 2025-10-02T08:05:00+00:00
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Our best scientific models make it clear that society needs a big change at a global scale in order to limit irreversible damage—what good can individual actions and attitudes do in the face of this immense problem? Today’s guest, Debra Rienstra, argues that the right relationship with the Earth can actually make all the difference and that new worlds of hope are built in hidden refuges amidst the surrounding devastation. Genuine lament and grief help reorient us toward the beauty and majesty of creation. Only once this groundwork has been laid can we truly repent for what we have done—and begin the work of hope for a better future. Additional Resources: Learn more about Debra's book, Refugia FaithSign up for the Refugia newsletterFind new episodes of Refugia Podcast Theme song and credits music by Breakmaster Cylinder. Other music in this episode by Pink Marble courtesy of Shutterstock, Inc. This episode originally aired on Mar 10, 2022.

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