# KunstlerCast 441 — Heather Mac Donald on the Exhausting Journey back to Normal

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Published: 2026-04-01T20:46:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 4031

## Resource

Heather Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor of City Journal. A New York Times bestselling author, she has written extensively on policing, criminal justice, race relations, higher education, and the pursuit of merit in American institutions. Her influential books include The War on Cops and When Race Trumps Merit. A non-practicing lawyer with a J.D. from Stanford, she holds a B.A. in English from Yale (summa cum laude) and an M.A. from Cambridge University. Mac Donald is a frequent commentator on Fox News and other outlets, known for her data-driven, fearless analysis of cultural and policy issues. The KunstlerCast theme music is the beautiful Two Rivers Waltz written and performed by Larry Unger

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