# S04E06 - Dr. Kent Johnson and Andrew Kieta on the Morningside Model that Guarantees Two Years of Growth in One

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Published: 2026-05-02T22:53:26+00:00
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## Resource

As teachers, we’ve all felt the frustration of watching a student fall through the cracks because the curriculum is moving faster than they are. We’ve all wondered: how do we actually catch them up without just ‘watering down’ the work? In this episode, Brendan Lee is joined by Dr. Kent Johnson and Andrew Kieta from Morningside Academy. What makes this conversation so special is that it’s not just theory. Morningside has spent over 40 years in their Seattle lab school proving that these challenges have answers. They have essentially "cracked the code" on the most persistent problems we face in schools. They dive into their world-renowned model of Generative Instruction, exploring how they use "Precision Teaching" to build effortless fluency and why they group students by achievement rather than age. You’ll learn why a student who is 100% accurate can still be struggling and how a "Money Back Guarantee" on student growth is actually possible when you engineer instruction with this much precision. This is a deep look at how we can stop "praying and spraying" our teaching and start giving every student the success they deserve. Resources mentioned: MorningsideAcademy.org Morningside Summer Institute John Dewey: How We Think Lev Vygotsky Michael Maloney Israel Goldiamond Tom Gilbert - Mathetics Ogden Lindsley Carl Binder Owen White Norris Haring B.F. Skinner Jerome Bruner Fred Keller Brendan Lee: "Engineering the Aha! When Discovery Learning Actually Works" Ryan O’Donnell’s documentary about Morningside Academy: The Morningside Model of Generative Instruction You can connect with Kent: Linkedin You can connect with Andrew: Linkedin You can connect with Brendan: Twitter/X: @learnwithmrlee Facebook: @learningwithmrlee Linkedin: @brendan-lee-kft Website: learnwithlee.net Supp…

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