# Leaving MAGA Behind (w/ Pedro L. Gonzalez)

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Podcast: [Know Your Enemy](https://stenobird.com/podcast/know-your-enemy-592071)
Published: 2026-02-23T11:30:00+00:00
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## Resource

Matt and Sam talk to writer Pedro Gonzalez about his break with MAGA and the New Right.

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