# Ep 192 Rockefeller and Alcoholics Anonymous with Bobby C

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Podcast: [Kirsten Johnson Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/kirsten-johnson-podcast-6900631)
Published: 2026-02-24T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.kirsten-johnson.com/
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## Resource

Bobby C is back on Sobriety Bestie Podcast to discuss the Rockefeller and AA connection which runs deeper that you might think. Bobby C unpacks AMA, DSM, Car Jung, and both Rockefeller Jr and Rockefeller Sr along with Alcoholics Anonymous. Bobby C's YouTube Bobby C's Story Timestamps: 00:00 Rockefeller and Alcoholics Anonymous Intro 06:05 Benjamin Rush 09:21 Temperance Movement 11:46 Magnus Huss 14:41 Etymology + Words As Control 23:11 John D Rockefeller 30:57 Rockefeller Jr and Alcoholics Anonymous 39:55 Norman Jolliffe 41:24 Alcoholics Foundation and The Big Book 49:19 Carl Jung and Roland Hazard 53:35 Does It Work If You Work It? 1:01:58 Rockefeller, Hellen Wynn + AA Organization 1:07:44 Big Pharma, Big Alcohol, AMA 1:21:54 DSM-V and Substance Use Disorder 1:25:26 Indentured Servitude: A Slave To AA 1:29:49 Rockefeller Gave Dr. Bob Money Bobby C's Rockefeller Videos: https://youtu.be/HYeoI_3Bljw?si=FJ-N5C4wRguHkLbV https://youtu.be/XxW_YfkFEtQ?si=0wBr-nAZFqyTSlhC https://youtu.be/d2gEC9lzT6A?si=N1NApvG8XfYDGNRl https://youtu.be/fZ0UAHMedvQ?si=yfDTg8w9D-TUnz3g Resources for deconstructing AA: 👉 Deprogram Lounge (community, Zooms, book club, Escape Kit + more) 📚 Deprogram Book List (my fave deprogram, cult recovery and critical thinking books) 🌀 Deprogram AA Course (free your mind at your own pace) Let’s get f*cking free

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