# Ep 386 | The CIA Is a Lawless Agency | Guest: Sen. Rand Paul

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Podcast: [Kibbe on Liberty](https://stenobird.com/podcast/kibbe-on-liberty-687266)
Published: 2026-05-15T19:00:00+00:00
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Recent testimony from a CIA whistleblower reveals that the agency knew early on that the COVID-19 virus came from a lab, but that finding was suppressed in favor of the natural origin theory at the urging of Dr. Anthony Fauci. Matt Kibbe is joined by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) to discuss how Fauci became so powerful within the intelligence community and why secretive agencies like the CIA are able to brazenly flout the law and ignore orders from Congress. A representative democracy can't function when the people have no ability to rein in unelected bureaucrats.

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