# Ep 365 | Bitcoin and Dive Bars: The Pillars of Civilization | Guest: Thomas Pacchia

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Podcast: [Kibbe on Liberty](https://stenobird.com/podcast/kibbe-on-liberty-687266)
Published: 2025-12-23T19:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

One of the most precious things COVID lockdowns took from us was the ability to gather, to socialize, and of course to drink together. Matt Kibbe sits down for a beer with Thomas Pacchia, the founder and CEO of PubKey, a Bitcoin-friendly establishment with locations in New York and Washington, D.C. Pacchia explains the importance of Bitcoin, not as part of an investment portfolio, but as a medium of exchange protected from the government’s manipulation of the money supply. His bars aim to offer a low barrier to entry for new and inexperienced Bitcoin users to start treating the technology as an actual currency, while at the same time encouraging community and friendship among like-minded individuals. You can check out more about PubKey on their website: https://www.pubkey.bar/

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