# Deep Dive with Max Stier on Expertise

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Podcast: [Kelly Corrigan Wonders](https://stenobird.com/podcast/kelly-corrigan-wonders-1318374)
Published: 2026-07-15T16:40:09+00:00
Episode link: http://www.kellycorrigan.com
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## Resource

There are people working inside the federal government right now solving problems so enormous and so unglamorous that most of us will never know their names — or what we owe them. In the first episode of our new series Unsung — inspired by Michael Lewis's book,  Who Is Government?  — Kelly talks with Max Stier, CEO of the nonpartisan Partnership for Public Service , about who these people are, what drives them, and what we stand to lose if we stop paying attention. To connect with Kelly and get a list of her weekly takeaways, join Kelly's  free Substack . Check out Michael Lewis' book, Who Is Government? HERE

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