# Episode 147: Mark Clifford: Why Is China Afraid of Hong Kong’s Jimmy Lai?

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Published: 2025-03-21T09:00:16+00:00
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## Resource

Mark Clifford is president of the Committee for Freedom in Hong Kong and the author of "The Troublemaker: How Jimmy Lai Became a Billionaire, Hong Kong's Greatest Dissident, and China's Most Feared Critic." ------------ Book Dan to do an interview or a meeting ------------ Keep Talking Substack Spotify Apple Podcasts Social media and all episodes ------------ Support via Venmo Support on Substack Support on Patreon ------------ 00:00 Intro 00:57 Mark's relationship with Jimmy Lai 06:40 Jimmy's journalism in Hong Kong 10:41 The source of Jimmy's devout anti-communism 18:27 Jimmy's interest in journalism 21:35 Was Jimmy optimistic about Hong Kong's future? 24:27 China's public enemy #1 33:22 Jimmy's core principles 39:40 Lessons from Jimmy's example 44:14 Hong Kong and JImmy's future 49:47 Jimmy's eccentricities and flaws

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