# Episode 142: Derek Sivers: How To Keep Growing

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Podcast: [Keep Talking](https://stenobird.com/podcast/keep-talking-1331245)
Published: 2025-02-14T10:00:32+00:00
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## Resource

Derek Sivers is a TED speaker, an essayist, a businessman, a musician, one of my favorite thinkers on the planet, and the author of many books including his most recent, Useful Not True: Whatever Works For You . ------------ Book Dan to do an interview or a meeting ------------ Keep Talking Substack Spotify Apple Podcasts Social media and all episodes ------------ Support via Venmo Support on Substack Support on Patreon ------------ (00:00) Intro (01:00) Your actions reveal your values (03:25) Obvious to you, amazing to someone else (05:19) How Derek thinks about money (13:03) Deep happy vs. shallow happy (21:00) Following an innate drive and desire (24:07) 18 months of feeling adrift (30:04) To find direction: read a lot and wait for energy (31:18) The power of heroes and anti-heroes (36:05) Egotists and hedonists (40:00) Changing your mind and keeping your identity small (44:37) Think of yourself as a student, not a preacher (47:42) Personal growth over wealth growth (53:00) Prioritizing openness (56:59) What lifestyles or beliefs is Derek against? (01:04:50) The downside of optimism in Derek's personal life (01:14:24) Dating, marriage, and the role of women in Derek's life (01:23:55) How to save a life with $2,000 (01:27:50) Derek's thoughts on philanthropy (01:33:54) "Useful Not True" (01:38:39) A prequel to "How To Live" (01:41:13) "Useful Not True": the truth of many answers and perspectives

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