# Episode 137: Orville Schell - Will The Chinese People Ever Be Free?

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Published: 2025-01-10T10:00:39+00:00
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## Resource

Orville Schell is an author, a journalist, a China scholar, and the director of the Asia Society's Center on U.S.-China Relations. ------------ Book Dan to do an interview or a meeting ------------ Keep Talking Substack Spotify Apple Podcasts Social media and all episodes ------------ Support via Venmo Support on Substack Support on Patreon ------------ (00:00) Intro (01:00) Orville's entering China in the 1970s (07:10) Was was China like in the 1970s? (10:09) The palpable fear in China in the 1970s (14:55) The details of Mao Zedong the Cultural Revolution (20:40) What preceded Communism in China? (25:32) Why was Communism appealing to Chinese revolutionaries? (30:11) China in the 1970s and how it reopened to the world (37:10) Why did China not become free after the 1980s? (41:39) 1989 and Tiananmen Square (45:28) China in the next few years (52:19) How might China become free? (55:26) Why China matters

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