# The Next Chapter of Animal Welfare: A Candid Conversation with Wayne Pacelle (Episode 298)

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Podcast: [Keep it Humane](https://stenobird.com/podcast/keep-it-humane-1179458)
Published: 2026-01-27T11:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, we sit down with Wayne Pacelle — former President & CEO of HSUS and current leader of two powerful organizations shaping the future of animal welfare: Animal Wellness Action ( https://animalwellnessaction.org/ ) and the Center for a Humane Economy ( https://centerforahumaneeconomy.org/ ). Wayne joins us for a wide-ranging conversation about the current state of animal welfare for dogs and cats in shelters , from the progress we’ve made to the persistent challenges that still demand our attention. We explore how innovative policies, corporate engagement, and data-driven strategies can help reduce suffering, strengthen communities, and create a more humane world for animals in need. Whether you’re an animal shelter professional, advocate, or lifelong animal lover, Wayne’s insights — grounded in decades of leadership — will challenge you, inspire you, and leave you energized about what’s possible when we aim higher for the animals we serve. Learn more: 🔗 Animal Wellness Action — https://animalwellnessaction.org/ 🔗 Center for a Humane Economy — https://centerforahumaneeconomy.org/ Tune in for honest conversation, practical takeaways, and a hopeful vision for shelter animals everywhere.

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