# Episode 24: Coping, Community, and Courage: The FOIL Story with Tiesha Hogue

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Podcast: [Juvenile Justice || What I Know Now](https://stenobird.com/podcast/juvenile-justice-what-i-know-now-6681935)
Published: 2025-08-22T20:30:17+00:00
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Duration seconds: 3515

## Resource

In this powerful episode of "What I Know Now," hosted by Bilal and Cole Williams, we hear from Tiesha Hogue, a mother whose life was transformed when her son became incarcerated. Tiesha shares her raw, honest journey navigating the Michigan Department of Corrections, the pain of seeing her child in chains, and going 18 months without a hug. She shatters common stereotypes about families of incarcerated youth, reminding listeners that justice system involvement can happen in any family and any neighborhood. Tiesha discusses founding FOIL (Families of Incarcerated Loved Ones), a support network for mothers and families affected by incarceration, and how community, mental health, and open conversation are crucial for healing. The episode explores the profound ripple effects of incarceration—not just on the individuals inside, but the parents, siblings, and extended family who are left grieving, coping, and searching for support. Listeners will learn about the real emotional toll of the justice system, the importance of unconditional love, and the challenges families face—from stigma and isolation to the practical logistics of supporting loved ones inside. The hosts and Tiesha examine how trauma, COVID, societal judgment, and lack of community resources all play a role in these stories, and highlight the need for deeper compassion and systemic change. Whether your family has been directly impacted or not, this episode invites you to rethink what you know about incarceration, resilience, and the power of a mother's love. Tune in for heartfelt stories, hard truths, and a call to break the silence around families facing the justice system.

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