# S3EP3: The Cost of Integrity, with former U.S. Pardon Attorney Liz Oyer

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Podcast: [Just Justice](https://stenobird.com/podcast/just-justice-7032206)
Published: 2025-09-30T07:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://jessicahenryjustice.podbean.com/e/s3ep3-the-cost-of-integrity-with-former-us-pardon-attorney-liz-oyer/
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## Resource

When former U.S. Pardon Attorney Liz Oyer refused to recommend a pardon for actor Mel Gibson, the Trump administration fired her just three hours later. Now, Liz is telling her story. Liz has become a leading voice for justice, transparency, and integrity in the criminal legal system. On this episode of Just Justice, we dive into the politics of federal pardons under the Trump administration, and talk about what it takes to stand up for what's right, even when the personal cost is devastatingly high. You can learn more about Liz Oyer at: https://www.lawyeroyer.com, (where you can subscribe to her substack!) or find her on the socials at "Lawyer Oyer" For more about Jessica Henry, go to jessicahenryjustice.com

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