# Why UFO Disclosure Begins & Ends at the Pentagon... | James Fox

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Podcast: [Julian Dorey Daily](https://stenobird.com/podcast/julian-dorey-daily-7299101)
Published: 2026-09-24T16:00:00+00:00
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WATCH FULL EPISODE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-2RnLj_e_8 Subscribe Here: @JulianDoreyDaily Newsletter: https://juliandoreypodcast.beehiiv.com/get-julians-top-10-books CLIPPERS DISCORD: https://discord.com/invite/8QmWEKJ3BT WATCH HIS DOC: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FSD45GRX?lv=shuf&channelId=500&plpRedirect=mhFallback James Fox has spent years documenting the UFO phenomenon, from his film "The Phenomenon" to his newer project "The Program," including his ongoing investigation in D.C. He opens up about a disastrous film company lawsuit that nearly derailed his career, and why, despite devastating setbacks along the way, he considers this his most satisfying documentary work yet. The conversation goes deep into pivotal moments from his interviews, the difference between disclosure and actual evidence, and James reads directly from a congressional source document, walking through photographs and evidence tied to it. He and Julian discuss specific intelligence agency individuals and what James describes as active obfuscation, along with the evidence behind the Jason Sands encounter. The episode closes with a genuinely strange topic — what James calls telepathic communication residue — while Julian plays devil's advocate throughout and raises the possibility that James himself may have been lied to. 0:00 James Fox from The Phenomenon to 'The Program,' D.C. investigation 10:01 James' disastrous film company lawsuit 26:54 Most satisfying UFO documentary (devastating setbacks) 31:21 Pivotal UFO interview moments, disclosure vs UFO evidence 38:51 Reads congressional source document, photographs & evidence 46:31 Intel agency individuals & obfuscation, evidence behind the Jason Sands encounter 52:03 Telepathic communication residue, devil's advocate & possibly bein…

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