# Gravity Physicist on DARPA's Anti-Gravity Research & Dark Energy | Claudia de Rham

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Podcast: [Julian Dorey Daily](https://stenobird.com/podcast/julian-dorey-daily-7299101)
Published: 2026-08-12T16:00:00+00:00
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WATCH FULL EPISODE: https://youtu.be/su31vnOistY?si=oZIcvL1mKa6KQ55k Subscribe Here: ⁨@JulianDoreyDaily⁩ CLAUDIA's LINKS: IG: https://www.instagram.com/claudia.derham/?hl=en BUY HER BOOK: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0CJRZY58B?ccs_id=a0ca1502-30a1-46da-b05d-d7bb911d44f9 --- Claudia de Rham is a Swiss theoretical physicist working at the interface of gravity cosmology and particle physics based at Imperial College London where she is the Director of the Abdus Salam Centre for Theoretical Physics. She is well known for her groundbreaking research into the theory of massive gravity — a radical theory that contends the graviton has a nonzero mass potentially explaining the expansion of the universe without the need for dark energy. She has been interviewed by Morgan Freeman won the 2020 UK Blavatnik Award for Young Scientists and is the author of The Beauty of Falling: A Life in Pursuit of Gravity. In this conversation with Julian Dorey she discusses massive gravity DARPA's anti-gravity research dark energy and the God question that she argues physics cannot avoid. The massive gravity thread is the episode's most scientifically significant and most intellectually provocative contribution. The mainstream view among physicists is that dark energy — a phenomenon we cannot directly observe — makes up approximately 68% of the universe and is responsible for its accelerating expansion. De Rham's research challenges that consensus directly. Her theory of massive gravity posits that the graviton — the hypothetical particle responsible for transmitting gravitational force — has a nonzero mass. This seemingly small modification to the standard model of gravity has profound implications. If the graviton has mass then gravity behaves differently at cosmological scales in ways…

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