# Ep 38: The Pugilist and the Sailor

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Published: 2026-02-11T13:30:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, I’m joined by Nadia Ragbar to discuss her latest work, The Pugilist and the Sailor . The book follows the lives of conjoined twins, Bruce and Dougie. One an ambitious boxer and the other a bookkeeper. As the brothers pursue their individual desires, a love interest and a boxing championship, they are compelled to consider the true meaning of belonging, independence, and their own place in the world. __________________________ Show highlights 00:00 - Introduction 1:48 - What’s been making Nadia happy lately 2:49 - Summarizing The Pugilist and the Sailor 5:13 - Starting the book from the last line 8:07 - Boxing as a tool to ground the body and differentiate 10:39 - List making as a way to foster inspiration 16:22 - Connecting to the humanity of characters 18:37 - The road to publication 20:34 - When plotting doesn’t work 22:47 - Navigating the editing process and choosing feedback 24:42 - Lessons from waiting for publication 27:36 - What Nadia needs to write 29:43 - Her writing superpower 31:12 - The secret to staying on the journey of her art _____________________ Guest’s links Buy The Pugilist and the Sailor : https://invisiblepublishing.com/product/pugilist-and-the-sailor/?srsltid=AfmBOooW_oY4TQOoIlGrAnTIwM_WtHSUl5r5-mUzKItlhgZcnbY3Rfgm Follow Nadia on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nadiaragbar/ Find out more about Nadia: nadiaragbar.com _____________________ Host’s links Find out more about the show: https://www.journeyoftheart.com/ Follow Journey of the Art on Instagram: ⁠ https://www.instagram.com/journeyoftheartpod/ Book a one-on-one with Lola: https://wordcaps.com/coaching/

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