# #768: Building Leaders Who Build Leaders with Tina Caul

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Published: 2026-02-24T12:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://johnkitchenscoachpodcast.com/?p=768-building-leaders-who-build-leaders-with-tina-caul
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Episode Overview In this episode, John sits down with Tina Caul for an honest and transformational conversation about leadership growth, emotional intelligence, and building an organization that scales beyond the founder. Tina shares how she hit a leadership ceiling after building one of the top-performing teams at eXp—closing 700–800 deals annually—only to realize the real bottleneck wasn't systems or talent… it was her own leadership lid. This episode dives deep into what it really takes to evolve from leading buyers and sellers to leading leaders. From unpacking personal triggers to implementing structured leadership frameworks like the Pathway of Personal Responsibility, the EQ Matrix, and the Kairos Circle, Tina opens up about the uncomfortable—but necessary—work required to scale to the next level. If you've ever felt stuck at a growth plateau, frustrated with people problems, or unsure how to elevate your organization beyond your own capacity, this conversation will challenge and equip you to level up. Key Topics Covered The Leadership Lid Why every business problem is ultimately a leadership problem Recognizing when you've hit your leadership ceiling Why what got you here won't get you there From Top Producer to True Leader The shift from selling homes to leading people The dangers of "high support, low challenge" environments Why vulnerability builds trust inside organizations Emotional Intelligence & Self-Awareness The EQ Matrix: self-awareness and others-awareness Why leaders must master emotional regulation How unresolved childhood patterns impact leadership decisions The Pathway of Personal Responsibility Understanding triggers and avoiding emotional "pinball" reactions Learning to pause, breathe, and respond instead of react Extreme ownership in leadershi…

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