# S2E5 The Abyss

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Podcast: [John Kiriakou's Dead Drop](https://stenobird.com/podcast/john-kiriakou-s-dead-drop-7529115)
Published: 2026-06-15T07:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://shows.acast.com/john-kiriakous-dead-drop/episodes/s2e5-the-abyss
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Duration seconds: 2826

## Resource

THE BLURB: Frederich Nietsche warned us about staring into the abyss and becoming the monster we most feared. He could have been talking about being in prison. Or being a spy. In this episode, John tells how he increasingly relied on the rules of spying to navitage prison life. But, in becoming a monster in order to survive, the question becomes: when John's sentence ends, will he be able to separate himself from the monster - or will the monster he had to become follow him into the outside worldl? SHOW NOTES If you're enjoying Dead Drop, please check out our other podcasts at Costard & Touchstone ! Your next podcast binge is just a click away! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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