# President Trump won’t win his battle with Pope Leo

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Published: 2026-04-16T04:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac speak with John Carr, founder of Georgetown University’s Initiative on Catholic Social Thought and Public Life. In “Signs of the Times,” a cross-promotion of America’s roundtable discussion between Ashley, Sam Sawyer, S.J., the president and editor in chief, and Colleen Dulle, Vatican correspondent and co-host of “Inside the Vatican,” on President Trump’s unprecedented social media attack on Pope Leo XIV. 00:00 President Trump's words for Pope Leo 1:55 Pope Leo's criticism of war 3:14 Pope Leo's response to Trump 5:26 U.S. Bishops respond to Trump 6:22 Reactions to Trump's tirade 8:03 Did Trump influence Leo's election? 11:00 Don't take the President's bait 14:40 Impact on U.S.-Vatican relations 19:10 John Carr wanted to be a priest and a senator 21:25 Catholic teaching on mass deportations 30:32 Catholic social teaching is a long, reliable tradition 37:05 Is social justice redeemable? 47:10 How money influences Catholic priorities 50:13 First impressions of Pope Leo Links for further reading: John Carr: Lessons from 50 years at the intersection of Catholic social teaching and public life Reactions: President Trump lashes out at Pope Leo XIV Trump is trying to distract us from Pope Leo’s calls for peace. Don’t take the bait. Trump lambasts Pope Leo: ‘I’m not a fan.’ You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow. You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com/groups/jesuitical. Please consider supporting Jesuitical by becoming a digital subscriber to America magazine at americamagazine.org/subscribe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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