# Do the racists know that immigration has dropped off a cliff?

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Podcast: [James O'Brien Daily](https://stenobird.com/podcast/james-o-brien-daily-7140035)
Published: 2026-05-21T16:37:00+00:00
Episode link: https://james-obrien-daily.captivate.fm
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Net migration has plummeted to 193,000 - down more than 80% in just three years. So will it actually make any difference to the national conversation, or has the immigration debate moved beyond the reach of facts? Plus, James speaks with Claire Zugar, who's father, Malcolm Ducker, a 72 year-old-British RAF veteran, has been filmed being detained and taunted by Israel's far-right security minster, Itamar Ben-Gvir, along with other Gaza flotilla activists. And, Sir Bill Browder, anti-corruption campaigner & head of the Global Magnitsky Justice Campaign, delivers a blunt verdict on the UK's decision to ease sanctions on Russian oil. This episode was recorded on the 21st of May. James O'Brien Daily is a Global production, available every week day on Global Player, or wherever you get your shows. Make sure you subscribe so you never miss an episode.

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