# Is healthcare eating the economy?

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Podcast: [It Turns Out](https://stenobird.com/podcast/it-turns-out-7561721)
Published: 2025-12-20T15:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://itturnsoutshow.com/episode/aca-architect-explains-where-healthcare-goes-from-here
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Is healthcare eating the US economy? Affordable Care Act architect Jon Gruber explains why healthcare became the issue that keeps employees - and employers - up at night. And how it came to paralyze the government. Why does an MRI cost $1,500 in the US but only a fraction of that in Japan? Why is the idea of "competition" a talking point, not a solution? Gruber also explains why Democrats moved to the right on healthcare, only to see Republicans move further to the right. Plus, hear Gruber’s "magic wand" solution for fixing the broken American system. Gruber co-edited the book Long-Term Care around the World from The University of Chicago Press. Did you know you can also watch the show? Subscribe to the show on YouTube!

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