# Americans have long moved South. Get ready for the move North.

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Podcast: [It Turns Out](https://stenobird.com/podcast/it-turns-out-7561721)
Published: 2026-01-09T18:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://itturnsoutshow.com/episode/abrahm-lustgarten
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## Resource

For decades, Americans have gravitated to the southern US - from Florida to Arizona. But that may be about to change. This change will also shuffle our finances - and create enormous winners and losers. In this eye-opening interview, ProPublica’s Abrahm Lustgarten , author of On the Move , exposes the "Great American Climate Scam" that is artificially propping up real estate values in high-risk zones like Florida and California. And he talks about how a collapse in one market could become a contagion that spreads across the country. We break down the looming insurance crisis that threatens to bankrupt entire states, why millions of Americans may soon be forced to migrate to northern "climate havens" like Cincinnati and Buffalo, and how extreme heat is widening the economic gap between the rich and the poor. If you want to understand the future of property values, the hidden financial risks of climate change, and who will be the winners and losers of the next great migration, don't miss this deep dive into the shifting US economy. Did you know you can also watch the show? Subscribe to the show on YouTube!

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