# Yaakov Katz - The Concepcia That Cost Israel and The Hard Lessons of While Israel Slept

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Published: 2025-10-29T19:29:00+00:00
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## Resource

Host Steven Shalowitz sits down with journalist and author Yaakov Katz to unpack While Israel Slept: How Hamas Surprised the Most Powerful Military in the Middle East . Katz argues that October 7 wasn't a "mystery failure," but the result of a long-running "policy of containment" (the concepcia ): believing Hamas could be deterred, managed economically, and fenced in with tech like Iron Dome and border sensors. He walks us through the tense night of Oct. 6–7—alarms, contradictory intel, and warnings from female surveillance soldiers that were brushed aside—and explains why a visible show of force might have changed the next morning.

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