# Self-Led Healing in Expanded States: IFS & Psychedelics with Heather Smith

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Published: 2025-07-28T07:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode I sit down with Heather Smith—Certified IFS therapist and founder of The Moxie School®—to explore the profound intersection of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy and psychedelic-assisted healing. Heather shares her deeply personal path into both IFS and psychedelics, sparked by a lifelong inquiry: How do people truly heal? Together, we dive into the ways psychedelic experiences can deepen parts work, the essential role of Self-energy in lasting transformation, and why healing doesn’t come from the medicine—but from within. _________________________ We Explore: Heather’s journey into IFS and expanded states of consciousness The deep synergy between IFS and psychedelics How MDMA can amplify Self-energy The power of witnessing parts in altered states Why preparation is non-negotiable before a medicine journey The consequences of skipping the prep and integration process The role of the IFS Self-led guide in enhancing psychedelic journeys What “integration” really means—and why it’s the completion, not the afterthought The myth that the medicine does the healing (hint: it’s your Self that does) Whether you’re a seasoned guide or curious about combining inner parts work with psychedelic tools, this episode is a must-listen. _______________________ About Heather Smith Heather Smith is a visionary in the field of psychedelic healing, uniquely bridging Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with expanded states of consciousness. A Certified IFS therapist (Levels 1–3) and frequent Program Assistant, Heather is the founder of The Moxie School®, where she trains facilitators in IFS-informed psychedelic support. Through immersive retreats and training programs, Heather empowers others to deepen their self-leadership, refine their facilitation skills, and embody t…

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