# The Brain Group: Enneagram Meets Neuroscience with Jack Killen, David Daniels & Laura Baker

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Podcast: [International Enneagram Association Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/international-enneagram-association-podcast-6400720)
Published: 2026-07-09T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.internationalenneagram.org/
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Duration seconds: 3487

## Resource

David Daniels, Laura Baker, and Jack Killingsworth explain how their five-year collaboration moved Enneagram teachings into peer-reviewed psychology—and why measuring type requires looking past trait models to core motivations. They present their latest paper on how innate emotion systems, attention patterns, and adaptive strategies shape type expression across a lifetime.

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