# ‘Making Sense With Sam Harris’ and Ross Douthat

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Podcast: [Interesting Times with Ross Douthat](https://stenobird.com/podcast/interesting-times-with-ross-douthat-440457)
Published: 2026-01-01T10:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.nytimes.com/column/matter-of-opinion
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This week we’re sharing an episode of ‘Making Sense With Sam Harris.’ The author and podcaster recently invited Ross on his show to discuss religion and politics. But they debated so much more: the existence of God, the mystery of the cosmos, the limits of consciousness, moral progress and even whether demons walk among us. Note: This recording has not been fact-checked by our team.

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