# Jamelle Bouie and I Debate Trump’s Failing Grade

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Podcast: [Interesting Times with Ross Douthat](https://stenobird.com/podcast/interesting-times-with-ross-douthat-440457)
Published: 2026-01-25T11:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/opinion/trump-second-term-one-year-in-analysis.html
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President Trump’s aggressive return to the White House has been disruptive in ways that will continue to reshape American — and global — governance and politics for decades. At a live event with the Library Foundation of Los Angeles, I joined my colleague Jamelle Bouie and our boss, the Opinion editor, Kathleen Kingsbury, to break down the first year of Trump 2.0. This conversation originally aired as an episode of “The Opinions.”

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