# China's Not the Problem. We Are.

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Podcast: [Interesting Times with Ross Douthat](https://stenobird.com/podcast/interesting-times-with-ross-douthat-440457)
Published: 2026-05-14T09:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/14/opinion/china-trump-ai-xi.html
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The United States and China are really the only two countries that matter right now in shaping the A.I. future. As President Trump and President Xi Jinping meet in Beijing, there’s a kind of Cold War atmosphere, with people talking about an A.I. arms race. But who is winning? Are we even in a race at all? Kyle Chan, a foreign policy fellow at the Brookings Institution, says it’s hard to call it a race because the U.S. and China have very different A.I. goals.

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